In this episode of Shaping Freedom, Lisane Basquiat sits down with Alphonzo “Phonz” Terrell, co-founder and CEO of Spill, to talk about building community in a digital world that often feels anything but safe.

After being laid off from Twitter, Alphonzo chose to build something new — a platform rooted in belonging, cultural ownership, and real connection. Together, Lisane and Alphonzo explore leadership, inner work, the loneliness epidemic, and why safety is essential to freedom.

Tune in to hear how intentional leadership shapes culture, how belonging is built on purpose, and what it takes to create spaces where people can participate without bracing themselves.